tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post7661774773663949515..comments2024-03-23T05:42:07.516-04:00Comments on The Deliberate Agrarian: Rethinking Elderberry Tincture(The Tincture-Berry Concept)Herrick Kimballhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17116051416696885647noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-74557186979443765292016-02-17T21:58:12.263-05:002016-02-17T21:58:12.263-05:00I finally processed my elderberries along these li...I finally processed my elderberries along these lines:<br /><br />http://104homestead.com/how-to-make-elderberry-syrup/<br /><br />I put the elderberry juice in the refrigerator and mix in the raw honey as I use the juice. I doubt it will last long as the whole family is using it now. Seems to be very effective. This is going to be a late Fall project from now on. <br /><br />RonCUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16217907729600918559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-79002550750169207332016-02-08T20:04:26.604-05:002016-02-08T20:04:26.604-05:00Everett—
Wow. That's quite a story. I admire ...Everett—<br /><br />Wow. That's quite a story. I admire you for standing up to the bureaucrat bullies. This sort of thing is happening all over the country in one form or another. I hope it is resolved in your favor soon! Did you check Nourse Farms for the elderberries? That's where I got mine.Herrick Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17116051416696885647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-61828727812867845792016-02-08T19:33:58.866-05:002016-02-08T19:33:58.866-05:00Hi Herrick Just went looking for some elderberry b...Hi Herrick Just went looking for some elderberry bushes to buy and the only place I could find them was Henry Fields catalog. After I finished reading your whole post and all the answers again, I thought I would order 3-4 Gooseberry, and black Currants. Turns out I cannot get them in this State unless I have a permit from the Department of Environmental Management. Well that is the end of that because the minute they see my name on the request it will be an automatic denial. I have been in a contested lawsuit with them for the last 26 years. They have been telling me not to mow or plant anything in my west field because it is an emergent river bank! It is a drainage ditch that dries up in April or May and stays that way till late Nov/Dec. This whole department is run by a bunch of unelected bureaucrats who make up any damed rules they want and then try to extort money out of you to make it all go away. Well I told them I would fight this all the way through the State Supreme court, and have been to court half a dozen times,but the players keep changing, and every time we almost have an agreement, they change one or two things that they know I won't go along with. We are infested with crooks in this State in every single department of of government! I'm about $15 K into this but I will not give up my land rights till I am dead, and then my middle son Russell all carry on the fight till he is done! We got a new judge the last time at court and he appears to be an honest one. He even asked the DEM lawyer why the hell they were torturing these people over such a small and ridiculous suite. I happened to be looking at the two others at their table when one said to the other,under his breath, "because we can". I know what he said because I have been reading lips for the last 18-20 years because I am almost deaf. I told my lawyer what they just said to each other and he took it from there with the Judge and their lawyer. I think this thing will soon be coming to a resolution, at least I hope so! So no gooseberries or currants for me for a while anyway. Sorry about being so wordy! Best EverettELittlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14614884616908281632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-57177884775189817082016-02-02T16:20:53.557-05:002016-02-02T16:20:53.557-05:00We make both a tincture, and a syrup. We have to ...We make both a tincture, and a syrup. We have to travel out of state to get the "high test" everclear, so sometimes we settle for the 160 proof stuff. Apparently college students were drinking the 190 proof stuff (GAG!) and getting sick/dead; so the wise government people decided to make it illegal here. But we can still travel to SC and buy it at the border store. <br />We make the syrup with honey we "glean" (https://thebaldwingang.wordpress.com/2015/09/05/lights-and-sweets-from-scraps-and-bits/) from the cappings of a local beekeeper. Then we strain the berries out from the syrup and put them in muffins - Tasty!<br />A quick way to separate the berries from the stems is with a fork. Run the fork thru the stems where the berries are attached and they should pop right off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-8456199713019321702016-02-01T20:03:47.802-05:002016-02-01T20:03:47.802-05:00An easy way of removing the berries from stems is ...An easy way of removing the berries from stems is to put the flower head in the freezer long enough for them not to squish when you pull them off. I use 90 to 100 proof vodka for my self but don't know what I would do if I had young ones in the house. Love your blog, such an inspiration.jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-78723904943001756032016-01-28T13:32:38.181-05:002016-01-28T13:32:38.181-05:00UPDATE: Made a call, it is legal now in NY to sell...UPDATE: Made a call, it is legal now in NY to sell, used to be not though... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-11537471411795959872016-01-27T23:52:57.488-05:002016-01-27T23:52:57.488-05:00Gooseberries were illegal to plant at one time bec...Gooseberries were illegal to plant at one time because they were blamed for spreading a disease to trees. That's not the case now. Alcohol pulls the properties from the material you are making the tincture from and then preserves it. The more alcohol and the less water the longer it keeps. It will last for many years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-14267594756176054452016-01-27T22:52:49.493-05:002016-01-27T22:52:49.493-05:00P.S. Koger mentioned folks eating leaves. I recal...P.S. Koger mentioned folks eating leaves. I recalled D. C. Jarvis' book on Vermont, 'Folk Medicine', with several mentions how people ate beechnut-tree leaves, maple-tree leaves, elm-tree leaves, willow-tree leaves, chokecherry-tree leaves, poplar-tree leaves, birch-tree leaves, raspberry bush leaves, marsh marigold, fern tops, horseradish leaves, dandelions, dock, yellow rocket cress, and watercress. "Native Vermonters have been aware for generations of the value and flavor of the tender leaves of plants that grow wild in the woods." p 55. I didn't know people still did this!Elizabeth L. Johnsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-78095336528460571022016-01-27T15:04:52.740-05:002016-01-27T15:04:52.740-05:00Young Pokeweed is very edible....I'm living pr...Young Pokeweed is very edible....I'm living proof. In fact I have canned the young leaves up. I don't know about the north east but there is an abundance of it here. No cost, no cultivation just go out and gather all you want. Some folks eat the leaves and others eat the stalks. I favor the leaves and take the stalks to hubbys 82 year old auntie...win-win. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02449271417077085434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-53555572342813652722016-01-27T14:16:36.636-05:002016-01-27T14:16:36.636-05:00A thought about the alcohol. I had always heard th...A thought about the alcohol. I had always heard the old timers say that alcohol in medicines help the body absorb the medicine better (faster?). Alcohol is also a solvent it could help draw something out of the berry. If I assume that both of these is true it would seem to me you could compensate for this by just eating more berries. But I am not a chemist and I may be over oversimplifying this. I am fighting a bit of a cold myself and a piece of elderberry pie with some frozen yogurt (for the calcium of course) sounds good to me. Does the crust count as a serving of whole grains?<br /><br />Nick LNick Lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-74800826590884659352016-01-27T07:55:19.709-05:002016-01-27T07:55:19.709-05:00I have never had elderberry pie , I have eaten a f...I have never had elderberry pie , I have eaten a few raw as I walk along in the woods , but they had a hmmm almost mildewy musky astringent taste ...maybe not completely ripe. Karen from Michigan<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-39954207168684797692016-01-26T21:47:08.809-05:002016-01-26T21:47:08.809-05:00I tried growing some Pixwell gooseberries. They ar...I tried growing some Pixwell gooseberries. They aren't supposed to even live in our climate. I got them to grow and after 3 years of growth they flowered, but produced no fruit, so I gave them away. They need snow in the winter and we don't get any. I got the plants from http://www.alcasoft.com/winfrey/ <br />I always loved those "grapes" in the fruit cocktail as a kid. I saved them for last. I thought they seemed different from regular grapes.<br />KimberlyAn At Home Daughterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15703109969618447107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-28184916779352358502016-01-26T16:34:33.282-05:002016-01-26T16:34:33.282-05:00PS—
I think the little stems are more of an annoya...PS—<br />I think the little stems are more of an annoyance than a health threat. And I like hillbilly solutions like that.<br /><br />AAHDaughter—<br />I think you are correct about the Ribes. But I'm pretty sure that gooseberries and currants are now legal in NY state. I saw a whole display promoting the culture of black currants at a NY farm show a couple years ago. I want to plant some.<br /><br />As for gooseberries, I've never eaten one. Or, at least I used to think I had never eaten one. Then a friend of mine asked if I ever had canned "fruit cocktail" from the store. My mother used to buy that so I have, and he told me the green berries in fruit cocktail are gooseberries. I don't know if supermarket fruit cocktail still has gooseberries or not.<br /><br />I should plant a gooseberry bush too. <br /><br />Life is short, and the plants to grow, so many.<br />Herrick Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17116051416696885647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-2035717085601320252016-01-26T16:19:02.910-05:002016-01-26T16:19:02.910-05:00Julie,
Good point about pokeweed berries.
I can...Julie,<br /><br />Good point about pokeweed berries. <br /><br />I can't think of pokeweed without thinking of Tony Joe White's classic "Poke Salad Annie." <a href="https://youtu.be/MCSsVvlj6YA" rel="nofollow">Poke Salad Annie</a><br /><br />Evidently, poke is edible at a young age?<br /><br />Also, I learned last summer that poke berries were once known as ink berries. Some people believe the Declaration of Independence was written with pokeberry ink. But others say it had to be iron gall ink, because it was more permanent. In any event, here's an interesting discussion about both inks... <a href="http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/120765-making-fermented-pokeberry-ink/" rel="nofollow">Making Poke Berry Ink </a><br /><br /><br /><br />Herrick Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17116051416696885647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-85650884666826647382016-01-26T13:31:44.885-05:002016-01-26T13:31:44.885-05:00As usual, a wealth of knowledge from you and your ...As usual, a wealth of knowledge from you and your readers.Elizabeth L. Johnsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-86275531630921685052016-01-26T11:48:09.395-05:002016-01-26T11:48:09.395-05:00For the people talking about them being illegal. I...For the people talking about them being illegal. I think they were thinking of the Ribes family of berries. Gooseberries and currants and such. They are illegal to grow in some areas. In some states you cannot grow them for so many miles from any 3 needle pines if I remember right. They say they complete the life cycle of something (can't remember what. Maybe a fungus) that kills the 3 needle pine.<br />KimberlyAn At Home Daughterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15703109969618447107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-82018891515375846322016-01-26T09:18:49.910-05:002016-01-26T09:18:49.910-05:00I have made the tincture in the past,but was leery...I have made the tincture in the past,but was leery of the little stems attached to the berry. Research said stems are poisonous. Big stems or little ones??? They were like hairs and I did not get them all off, worked for hours. (We are still alive) My Dad made jelly out of the elderberries, wonderful stuff! <br />Hillbillies have a press made from two boards hinged/wired together on one end. You put your bag of fruit between the planks and use the "handle" ends to apply pressure, works like a charm. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02449271417077085434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-23924707973563302552016-01-26T08:35:02.692-05:002016-01-26T08:35:02.692-05:00The cultivar you grew has such large berries and b...The cultivar you grew has such large berries and bright red stems that at first glance, it looked like pokeweed. I know it's not, and I know you are well-versed in any foraging you do, but just throwing it out there in case some readers haven't foraged for elderberry before. Poke berries are poisonous, but once you research the stem & leaf, they are very easy to tell apart form elderberries.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17695564669683313691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-28827676649806773292016-01-26T06:32:06.315-05:002016-01-26T06:32:06.315-05:00Ouida—
I bought vegetable glycerine for making ti...Ouida—<br /><br />I bought vegetable glycerine for making tincture but haven't used it. Marlene made some elderberry syrup with honey last fall. Sweet and good. You need your own honeybees to be able to afford making much of that. <br /><br />I don't know what "crude" is, but I hope I never get it. :-(<br /><br />Hope you all feel better soon. Herrick Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17116051416696885647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-2902439897670676432016-01-26T06:26:20.141-05:002016-01-26T06:26:20.141-05:00Anonymous—
I've made wild elderberry flower t...Anonymous—<br /><br />I've made wild elderberry flower tea and tincture in years past. The dried flower clusters are beautiful. For some reason we didn't make good use of either. Will have to try it again.Herrick Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17116051416696885647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-71795319448271132982016-01-26T06:23:36.786-05:002016-01-26T06:23:36.786-05:00Ron C—
Frozen elderberries instead of tincture ma...Ron C—<br /><br />Frozen elderberries instead of tincture makes perfect sense to me. The alcohol is just a way of extracting and preserving what's in the berries. So why not frozen berries instead of tincture? This may well be another good example of critical thinking.<br /><br />Could it be that tinctures were developed before electricity and refrigeration, as a way to preserve the goodness of the berries? I think so. As long as the electricity is working, freezing makes perfect sense.<br /><br />The exception would be if you are away from home. There is a convenience factor to consider with a small bottle of tincture.<br /><br />And if you have an excess of frozen berries.... there is pie!<br /><br />Back when my stepfather was alive and well, he would go to the liquor store for us to get tincture alcohol (vodka). And when we needed beer for getting slugs in the garden, we had him get it for us (beer for slugs was something we tried for awhile). That gives you an idea how uncomfortable we were at buying alcohol. So I can relate to your comment.<br /><br />I bought the Everclear and a bottle of brandy last summer at a liquor store in the city as opposed to the local establishment. I don't want any locals to get the wrong idea about me. And I was totally out of my element. I went there for Vodka but when I mentioned to the clerk that I was making an herbal tincture, he suggested the Everclear. I had read something online about using Everclear so I got that. Same with the brandy—I read somewhere online that it made a "smoother" tincture. <br /><br />The drawback to making tincture with alcohol is that the alcohol is downright expensive. The bottle of Everclear was around $40. I think it was a gallon. Still have half of it left. I guess it never goes bad. 95% grain alcohol. The label says: CAUTION! EXTREMELY FLAMMABLE.<br /><br /><br />Herrick Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17116051416696885647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-60654092261202307222016-01-26T05:53:20.415-05:002016-01-26T05:53:20.415-05:00An At Home Daughter—
Why didn't I think of pi...An At Home Daughter—<br /><br />Why didn't I think of pie? Your critical thinking skills are far better than mine when it comes to the matter of elderberry seed safety. <br /><br />Elderberry pie is, in my opinion, the best way to eat elderberries. With some vanilla ice cream.<br /><br />I never had an elderberry pie until I met Marlene in high school. She grew up gathering wild elderberries in season and making pie. A girl who could make elderberry pie was a powerful attraction to me back then. :-)<br />Herrick Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17116051416696885647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-22711814652150776432016-01-26T05:46:29.228-05:002016-01-26T05:46:29.228-05:00Hi Pam—
I'm not sure how the WB press would wo...Hi Pam—<br />I'm not sure how the WB press would work for elderberries. I tried pressing grapes once by running them through the WB disposal-grinder first. It all worked but was a huge purple slurry of a mess. Pressing the slurry was kind of redundant. Then it had to be heated up for canning and filtered and that was a mess. So we decided that using our Mehu-Liisa was far easier. And it is. Pressing juicy berries without grinding might be the way to go but I haven't tried that yet.<br /><br /><br />Herrick Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17116051416696885647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-69471190818317492622016-01-26T04:25:17.597-05:002016-01-26T04:25:17.597-05:00I use the Mountain Rose Herbs Elderberry Recipe. I...I use the Mountain Rose Herbs Elderberry Recipe. I have never used alcohol for my recipes. I also never use honey since it is so expensive for the good stuff. It is metallic tasting but nothing a person cant get past. We currently have the crude and my elderberry "syrup" has eased our illness. Honestly, I just take a big swallow every few hours. I believe it has helped immensely. <br /><br />I am considering if one can just swallow a few berries without much chewing. I am all for using the herb to the fullest ability. Waste not, want not. <br /><br />Ouida GabrielAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13729569.post-57504927729009670622016-01-26T00:01:08.205-05:002016-01-26T00:01:08.205-05:00So glad you made tincture. I assumed the person wa...So glad you made tincture. I assumed the person was talking about Everclear being illegal. It is in some states. Also want to point out that elder flowers are very beneficial. Dry them and use as tea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com